{"id":2960,"date":"2021-02-03T19:12:38","date_gmt":"2021-02-04T01:12:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/?p=2960"},"modified":"2025-03-18T00:22:13","modified_gmt":"2025-03-18T05:22:13","slug":"madness-religious-experience-and-the-wisdom-to-know-the-difference","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/madness-religious-experience-and-the-wisdom-to-know-the-difference\/","title":{"rendered":"Madness, Religious Experience, and the Wisdom to Know the Difference"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">with Thomas Patrick Lavin, PhD<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Diagram-517-510x231.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2965\" width=\"872\" height=\"395\"\/><figcaption>This diagram accompanies the lecture series<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This episode is the first session of the series&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/store\/index.php?route=product\/product&amp;manufacturer_id=34&amp;product_id=122\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Madness, Religious Experience, and the Wisdom to Know the Difference<\/em><\/a>. It was recorded in July 1993. From the series description:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>In the history of humankind, there have always been seeming psychotic features accompanying authentic religious experience, and there have often been apparent religious images and\/or identifications associated with psychotic disorders. In our transitioning and liminal culture, what Jung has called the &#8220;transcendent function&#8221; acts like a balancing pole for those of us who feel &#8220;called&#8221; to walk the tightrope between madness and religious ecstasy.<\/p><p>This course examines the work of C.G. Jung and others to help develop imaginal strainers to sift the sounds of the many voices which call to us. It explores our perceptions of the presence of the divine in madness and the madness in the divine.<\/p><p>Topics in this program include:<\/p><p>\u2022&nbsp;&nbsp; Varieties of Religious Experience<br>\u2022&nbsp;&nbsp; Varieties of Psychotic Experience<br>\u2022&nbsp;&nbsp; Higher Powers and Deeper Powers: The Transcendent\/Immanent Axis<br>\u2022&nbsp;&nbsp; Feeding the Ego-Self Loop<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Note: I am away from home through May 2021 so my microphone quality will be less optimal during this time. Thanks for your understanding!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2961\" width=\"95\" height=\"136\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas.png 448w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas-175x250.png 175w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas-105x150.png 105w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lavin-Thomas-64x91.png 64w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 95px) 100vw, 95px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thomas Patrick Lavin, PhD is a Z\u00fcrich-trained Jungian analyst who holds a PhD in clinical psychology and a PhD in theology. He was formerly chief clinical psychologist for the U.S. Army in Europe and is a founding member of the CG Jung Institute of Chicago. He is in private practice in Wilmette, Illinois, and consults internationally on typology, spirituality and addictions.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6539\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-2960-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=2960-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"jungianthology-59-lavin-madness-religious-experience-517.mp3\">Download<\/a> (36.2MB) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-fb9792f5-5566-4316-833e-e5b612ba9513\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Links<\/span><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/store\/index.php?route=product\/product&amp;manufacturer_id=34&amp;product_id=122\" target=\"_blank\">The complete series<\/a><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/store\/index.php?route=product\/manufacturer\/info&amp;manufacturer_id=34\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/store\/index.php?route=product\/manufacturer\/info&amp;manufacturer_id=34\" target=\"_blank\">All of Dr. Lavin&#8217;s lectures in our online store<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/category\/speakers-authors\/lavin-thomas-patrick\/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/category\/speakers-authors\/lavin-thomas-patrick\/\">Tomas Patrick Lavin on Jungianthology<\/a><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/store\/index.php?route=information\/information&amp;information_id=87\" target=\"_blank\">Support this podcast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00a9 1993 Thomas Patrick Lavin. This podcast is licensed under a <a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/\">Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License<\/a>. You may share it, but please do not change it, sell it, or transcribe it.<br>Executive Producer: Ben Law<br>Producer: Patricia Martin<br>Music: Michael Chapman<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you to our 2020 donors who gave at the Contributing Member level and above: Barbara Annan, Usha and Ashok Bedi, Jackie Cabe Bryan, Eric Cooper and Judith Cooper, Kevin Davis, George J. Didier, James Fidelibus, John Korolewski, Marty Manning, Dyane Sherwood, Deborah P. Stutsman, Debra Tobin, Alexander Wayne and Lynne Copp, Gerald Weiner, Karen West and James Taylor, and Ellen Young. 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