{"id":33528,"date":"2026-03-24T12:16:30","date_gmt":"2026-03-24T17:16:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/?p=33528"},"modified":"2026-03-24T12:52:14","modified_gmt":"2026-03-24T17:52:14","slug":"jung-in-the-world-traumatic-narcissism-cult-survival-and-reclaiming-dignity-with-daniel-shaw-lcsw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/jung-in-the-world-traumatic-narcissism-cult-survival-and-reclaiming-dignity-with-daniel-shaw-lcsw\/","title":{"rendered":"Jung in the World | Traumatic Narcissism, Cult Survival, and Reclaiming Dignity with Daniel Shaw, LCSW"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4643\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-33528-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=33528-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/content.blubrry.com\/jungchicago\/Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Jungianthology-144-Jung-in-the-World-Daniel-Shaw-Interview.mp3\">Download<\/a> (35.2MB) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Psychotherapist Daniel Shaw survived a decade in a cult \u2014 then spent 30 years helping victims of traumatic narcissism heal. He talks with host Patricia Martin about the mechanics of subjugation, why &#8220;no contact&#8221; isn&#8217;t always the answer, and how reclaiming dignity supports recovery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Keywords: Narcissism, narcissistic trauma, cult, psychology, recovery<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-large is-resized\" style=\"margin-right:15px;margin-bottom:10px\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"510\" height=\"510\" src=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-510x510.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-33529\" style=\"width:168px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-510x510.png 510w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-250x250.png 250w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-600x600.png 600w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1-100x100.png 100w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DAN-SHAW-RT-2-1-1.png 800w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 510px) 100vw, 510px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Daniel Shaw, LCSW, is a psychotherapist trained in psychoanalysis as well as in trauma-informed psychotherapies, including Sensorimotor Psychotherapy and Trauma-Informed Stabilization Treatment (TIST). He is in private practice in New York City and in Nyack, New York; and Faculty and Supervisor at The National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In his book&nbsp;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3PquhKH\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3PquhKH\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation<\/a><\/em>, published by Routledge in 2014 for the Relational Perspectives Series and nominated for the prestigious Gradiva Award, Shaw introduced the traumatic narcissism theory. Shaw\u2019s theory focuses on how the \u201ctraumatizing narcissist\u201d manipulates victims, causing them to be fearful and insecure at the same time as they are becoming more and more dependent. Unlike with theories of pathological narcissism that focus on treating people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Shaw\u2019s work focuses on helping victims of traumatizing narcissists recover their faith and trust in themselves.&nbsp;His book&nbsp;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/47baHIt\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/47baHIt\">Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear<\/a><\/em>&nbsp;was published in 2021. In 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded Dan the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. A third book,&nbsp;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4bgXPTI\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4bgXPTI\">Traumatic Narcissism Theory: A Contemporary Introduction<\/a><\/em>, will be published in 2026.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Shaw has for many years been teaching groups of mental health professionals how to understand and use the traumatic narcissism theory to help not only cult survivors, but survivors of all kinds of traumatic narcissistic abuse. Learn more at <a href=\"https:\/\/danielshawlcsw.com\/\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/danielshawlcsw.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">danielshawlcsw.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns has-background is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-546eec75 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\" style=\"background-color:#ccccce;margin-top:30px;margin-bottom:30px\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d77c14b8f62376f26f960b296d315c6f wp-block-paragraph\">Books by Daniel Shaw:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4bgXPTI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/m.media-amazon.com\/images\/I\/71Bpm1k6crL._SL1500_.jpg\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:221px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4rCxW5y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/m.media-amazon.com\/images\/I\/A14X+WtFerL._SL1500_.jpg\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:221px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4sQ9BKx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/m.media-amazon.com\/images\/I\/516A547UzHL._SL1360_.jpg\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:221px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;height:0px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-full is-resized\" style=\"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"735\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-29297\" style=\"width:168px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025.jpg 735w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025-184x250.jpg 184w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025-510x694.jpg 510w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025-110x150.jpg 110w, https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Martin-Patricia-2025-600x816.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 735px) 100vw, 735px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/patricia-martin.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Patricia Martin, MFA<\/strong><\/a><strong>,<\/strong>&nbsp;is the host of&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/category\/podcast\/jung-in-the-world\/\"><em>Jung in the World<\/em><\/a>. A noted cultural analyst, she applies Jungian theory to her work as a researcher and writer. Author of three books, her work has been featured in the&nbsp;<em>New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Huffington Post,<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>USA Today<\/em>. She holds an MFA in writing and literature from Bennington College and an MA in cultural studies at the University College, Dublin (honors). In 2018, she completed the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/training\/jungian-psychotherapy-studies-program\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jungian Studies Program<\/a>&nbsp;at the C. G. Jung Institute Chicago where she is a professional affiliate. A scholar in residence at the Chicago Public Library, for the last decade she\u2019s been studying the digital culture and its impact on the individuation process. Patricia travels the world giving talks and workshops based on her findings and has a private consulting practice in Chicago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-background wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"background-color:#d9dcdf;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:30px\"><em>Be informed of new programs and content by <a href=\"https:\/\/lp.constantcontactpages.com\/su\/yg8KS1s\/signup\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">joining our mailing list<\/a>! <\/em><br><br><em>Support this free podcast by <a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/support-us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">making a donation<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/support-us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">becoming a member of the Institute<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/jungchicago.org\/blog\/store\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">making a purchase in our online store<\/a>! 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