Jung in the World | Exploring the Mystery of Transformation with Murray Stein

Transformation of the self is mysterious, whether it comes about gradually or suddenly. The essence of the process is buried in the unconscious. In this interview, Murray Stein sheds light on key dimensions of transformation based on his recent book, The Mystery of Transformation. In conversation with host Patricia Martin, they cover topics such as the individuation process, the union of anima and animus, and how the deep work of psychological transformation makes us whole.

The video of this interview is available on YouTube.

Murray Stein, PhD is a Training and Supervising Analyst at the International School of Analytical Psychology Zurich (ISAP-ZURICH). He was the first president of the Chicago Society of Jungian Analysts (1980-85) and has been president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology (IAAP) and President of ISAP-ZURICH. He is the author of Jung’s Map of the Soul, Minding the Self, Outside Inside and All Around and many other books and articles. Four volumes of his Collected Writings have been published to date and two more are currently in preparation. He is presently the president of the Mercurius Prize Committee. He lives in Switzerland and has a private practice in Zurich and from his home in Goldiwil.

Patricia Martin, MFA, is the host of Jung in the World. A noted cultural analyst, she applies Jungian theory to her work as a researcher and writer. Author of three books, her work has been featured in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Huffington Post, and USA Today. She holds an MFA in writing and literature from Bennington College and an MA in cultural studies at the University College, Dublin (honors). In 2018, she completed the Jungian Studies Program  at the C. G. Jung Institute Chicago where she is a professional affiliate. A scholar in residence at the Chicago Public Library, for the last decade she’s been studying the digital culture and its impact on the individuation process. Patricia travels the world giving talks and workshops based on her findings, and has a private consulting practice in Chicago.

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Hosts: Patricia Martin, Judith Cooper, Daniel Ross, Adina Davidson, and Raisa Cabrera
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  1. It’s a treat to be able to hear Patricia Martin interviewing Murray Stein, so I saved this episode for a special day. The snow is blowing and the temperature is dropping outside in Saint Louis as I’m listening.
    I have read two of Murray Stein’s books as suggested by my analyst: Jung’s Treatment of Christianity and Jung’s map of the soul. I’ve also read the first volume of Jung’s Red Book for our Time. Murray Stein has a special talent for making Jungian ideas accessible, and his commentary on how to stay true to your Self by paying attention to synchronicity was especially thought provoking for me.
    So far, my own process of individuation can be described as confrontational. Many unconscious images/themes have been frightening and difficult to process. I’m still relatively new to analysis at 42 years of age. I’m glad Murray mentioned the book he wrote about mid-life. I will have to find a copy.
    Regarding the brief discussion about the self in the digital/online culture, I think that our online identity is very persona based. We share only what we want others to see, which can be intentionally misleading. Hiding one’s true self / genuine identity seems to be encouraged online. What we display about ourselves can vary by domain. This may create a fragmented persona that makes the Jungian concept of personality integration more difficult, especially for young people.
    I also thought this interview could have been longer. It seemed cut short somehow. Still great! Thank you all very much for the podcast,


    1. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on the Murray Stein interview. I continue to be honored by the thoughtfulness of audience members like yourself, Andrew.
      Wishing you safe and inspired passage on your path to individuation.

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